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    [EN] AWS is building the cloud on the experience of more mature employees

    The median age of an AWS developer is between 40 and 45 years old.

    Matt Asay
    May 24, 2017

    Silicon Valley has such a cult of youth that it's easy to overlook just how dependent we've become on older developers and engineers. That's right: A tremoring youthquake may be giving us taco deliveries by drone and new ways to apply filters to photos, but the clouds they're running on were invented by older folks.

    How old? By Redmonk analyst James Governor's reckoning, the median age of an AWS engineer is between 40 and 45 years old. Governor's data may be anecdotal, but his contention that "when you sit down with one of the AWS engineering teams you're sitting down with grownups" rings true.

    It has become de rigueur for Silicon Valley tech companies to report on their demographics to show just how much progress they're (not) making toward hiring a more diverse workforce. Lost in their reports, however, is any mention of age. For that, you have to look at PayScale data, which pegs the median age of Facebook employees at 28 and of Google employees at 30. By comparison, the average age of an Oracle employee is 39.

    How does this map to the wider industry? According to a 2016 Stack Overflow developer survey, the median age of developers is 27 (average is 29.6). Pretty young. Even so, if we break out developers by experience level, roughly 50% have at least six years of programming experience. For those who code professionally, according to the 2017 Stack Overflow developer survey, 25.9% of all developers have been coding professionally for at least 10 years.

    Developers tend to skew young, in other words, but for those who make a living coding, a quarter are relatively experienced.

    AWS is thinking differently about hiring

    AWS seems to be hiring both. As one commentator pointed out to Governor, "[F]rom personal experience the teams skew *heavily* towards fresh out-of-college. It's the only way they can keep up with the burn-out rate. The hours and culture at Amazon are hardly conducive to having a family life."

    In my own experience, AWS teams have a healthy mix of older and younger employees. Still, AWS leadership isn't driven by millennials, but rather by graybeards (James Gosling, Adrian Cockcroft, James Hamilton, Tim Bray, and Andi Gutmans are just a few people called out by Governor). Management at most companies will tend to skew a bit older, but AWS is notable for how those people are discovered. As Governor noted: "Some other older companies have older distinguished engineers because they grew up with the company. AWS is explicitly bringing that experience in."

    That's an important distinction, but equally important is why AWS is hiring those older techies. As Governor said: "The company puts such a premium on independent groups working fast and making their own decisions it requires a particular skillset, which generally involves a great deal of field experience."

    http://www.techrepublic.com/article/...der-engineers/
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    How AWS Cloud is demolishing the cult of youth

    James Governor
    May 23, 2017

    We live in a society obsessed with youth. Tech is no different from the wider culture. Startup culture in particular thrives on the idea that you’re past it by the time you’re 30. Mark Zuckerburg is 33 years old. Some Facebook employees quietly started call him Uncle Zuck while he was in his still in his late 20s. Brutal.

    Younger founders and employees are willing and able to work longer hours, and really grind it out. They have higher stamina, and generally don’t have families they want to spend time with. They can completely commit to the job at hand. Most mathematical breakthroughs are discovered by younger people. It is true that today’s tech leviathans were founded by people in their 20s – Apple, Facebook, Google, Microsoft. Amazon is a bit of an outlier – Jeff Bezos was 30 years old when he founded the company. He was already a bit more mature.

    And what a company he built. Amazon is one of the companies most likely to be worth a trillion dollars in the next few years. This video by Scott Galloway is the best take on the Four Horsemen, those most likely to hit that mark. Amazon is crushing it, Amazon is dismantling retail, Amazon is going to “kill brands”.

    So who is hiring to drive the next stages of its growth? A bunch of 22 year olds, right? Not. So. Much. Amazon has a lot of time for seasoned talent, in the executive and technical ranks.

    It just announced it is hiring James Gosling, one of the original inventors of Java. He is 62 years old. We don’t know what he’ll be doing at Amazon – he’s just as likely to be designing a fleet of underwater delivery drones as driving programming language innovation. But he is an inspiration, and he’s still coding. He could work on AWS-specific JVM optimisations. But it’s all conjecture for now.

    Meanwhile James Hamilton continues to completely kick ass in compute, network, and data center design for AWS. He cut his teeth in database technology. He’s in his 50s.

    Tim Bray, one of the inventors of XML, joined Amazon in 2014. He’s another Sun alumni. He’s 61 now. He still codes.

    When you sit down with one of the AWS engineering teams you’re sitting down with grownups. At a guess median age would be 40-45, someone like Andi Gutmans, now 41, one of the original creators of PHP, who now runs Search and New NoSQL for the firm.

    Adrian Cockcroft joined AWS in October 2016. He graduated in 1982, not 2002. He is VP Cloud Architecture Strategy at AWS, a perfect role for someone that helped drive Netflix’s transition from on prem Java hairball to serious cloud leadership.

    Great engineering is not maths – it involves tradeoffs, wisdom and experience. Great engineers are generally great teachers. Fintan recently wrote about the reality of the distinguished engineer.

    “A distinguished engineer not only leads; they also take responsibility. A distinguished engineer will not throw any of his or her team under the proverbial bus to protect themselves, nor will the make technical decisions that involve a massive pay back later (technical debt) without explaining why and getting buy in and understanding for the decision.”

    His description fits the people AWS is currently hiring quite well. The company puts such a premium on independent groups working fast and making their own decisions it requires a particular skillset, which generally involves a great deal of field experience. A related trend is hiring seasoned marketing talent from the likes of IBM.

    Some other older companies have older distinguished engineers because they grew up with the company. AWS is explicitly bringing that experience in. It’s refreshing to the see a different perspective on value.

    AWS is a client.

    https://redmonk.com/jgovernor/2017/0...-cult-of-youth

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    [AWS] just announced it is hiring James Gosling, one of the original inventors of Java. He is 62 years old.
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    Wietse Venema, um dos desenvolvedores do Postfix (software criado e mantido pela IBM distribuido como open source), saiu da Big Blue aos 65 anos, em março de 2015, para trabalhar no Google Gmail em New York.

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